china eye view
Here Be (No) Dragons
The Indian media reserves its vitriol for China. It’s horribly unfair.
Arunachal pradesh
With India having given them nothing but neglect, the Arunachalis wonder if they’d have been better off with China
Saikat Datta
Arunachal pradesh
The Centre may put up a show of good intention, but it seldom comes to any sort of fruition
Outlook
tawang
China’s stand on Tawang lies inextricably close to its suspicions of India’s intentions on Tibet. Therein lies the rub....
Pranay Sharma
opinion
Let there be no war. Let bhai-bhai one-upmanship last forever.
Mohan Guruswamy
the india complex
Is it paranoia or just plain old envy because China has surged far ahead of us in every field?
Pranay Sharma
bilateral trade
Trade is growing. But a closer look finds India chafing at inequalities.
Lola Nayar
Column
A stronger India must counter China with open-minded caution
K.S. Bajpai
Tawang
It’s an understatement to say that there’s China-bashing in the Indian media. Occasionally, there are rational and insightful voices, but these, by and large, are often submerged by many a 24/7 news channel and the patriotism-trumpeting column inches in newspapers. China is always drawn in cartoons as the Fearsome Dragon with a fang, or an Ugly Big Brother with a shadow. Stereotyping is the name of the game.

Recently, an English daily devoted an entire Sunday page to asking prominent Indians: Would you choose to be Chinese or Indian? Really, would any sensible citizen, let alone those “prominent”, publicly opt for another nationality? Worse, the answers of prominent Indian citizens to the question ranged from “They dress like robots” to “Indian Chinese food trumps Chinese Chinese any day”, from “China’s success is overrated” to “We are the best Asian country”.

The crowning glory in stereotyping must go to the piece a fiction writer wrote titled We dream. Chinese don’t dare to, in which the author promptly pronounced, from her one trip to China, that people there didn’t even “know the difference between what the top bosses want them to know and what the truth is”. How did she arrive at such a dramatic conclusion? Answer: The three female guides assigned to her on her recent China trip turned out to be 30-year-olds, single and virgins!

For a moment, forget the Indian writer’s intemperate inquiry. Forget also the care the hosts took to choose suitable guides for her. But isn’t it ridiculous of her to draw conclusions about Chinese society based on the remarks of the three guides? The writer also failed to notice that all three hailed from rural China, managed to learn English and find jobs in cities. Their achievements not only demonstrate their ability to dream but also that dreams such as theirs do come true in China.

Such portrayals of China are indisputably wrong. China today is an open and dynamic society, boasting 360 million internet users. Hundreds of millions of people have been lifted out of poverty in the last three decades. Obviously, not all Indians share the author’s perception of China. But hers is representative and inimical to Indo-China relations. It’s often claimed that India is a country where opinions are freely expressed, but this assertion  doesn’t whitewash the fact that these so-called opinions are presumptuous and agenda-driven.

 
 
Statements from India’s top officialdom on the thorny boundary issue can’t even tame raging media ‘incursion’ flames.
 
 
The media’s primary responsibility is to tell the truth. But a section of the Indian media is doing fellow Indians a great disservice by reporting on an important neighbour like China with dogmatic simplicity bordering on contempt. It seems nothing about China is right—China’s growth rate is always “overrated”; its goods are “cheap and dumped”. What about Indian customers and dealers who benefit from goods otherwise inaccessible to them? When the media talks about work visas, the focus is invariably on China’s attempt to “grab Indian jobs”. Rarely do we read about Chinese workers building roads, power plants and factories in India. One Chinese project in Tamil Nadu has, no doubt, 200 workers from China, but it has simultaneously created 1,000 local jobs. Has the Indian media written about this? On the more thorny boundary issue, the ensemble statements of the foreign minister, the army chief and the foreign secretary could hardly tame, let alone douse, the media “incursion” flames.

Indians deserve to know a China which has changed and continues to change. It’s  open, thriving with robust development, and is a responsible international player. It’s in China’s interest to have friendly relations with India. Chinese people regard Indians with warm affection. Where are the articles reporting this reality? It’s about time the Indian media rethinks its China reportage. For the sake of India itself.

True, this argument applies as much to the Chinese mainstream media. Like China, India is changing rapidly. Phobia usually stems from ignorance. Looked at clearly, the looming large dragon depicted in India is nothing but an illusion, a figment of paranoia. Fortunately, since ten times more Indians visit China every year than vice versa, we now have increasingly sensible voices articulating the new Chinese reality, albeit outside the media. For building robust China-India relations, and nurturing friendship between the two peoples, it’s imperative the Indian media doesn’t remain stuck in a time warp.


(Wang is South Asia bureau chief of Wen Hui Daily, China, and has been based in New Delhi for the last eight years.)

Arunachal pradesh
With India having given them nothing but neglect, the Arunachalis wonder if they’d have been better off with China
Saikat Datta
Arunachal pradesh
The Centre may put up a show of good intention, but it seldom comes to any sort of fruition
Outlook
tawang
China’s stand on Tawang lies inextricably close to its suspicions of India’s intentions on Tibet. Therein lies the rub....
Pranay Sharma
opinion
Let there be no war. Let bhai-bhai one-upmanship last forever.
Mohan Guruswamy
the india complex
Is it paranoia or just plain old envy because China has surged far ahead of us in every field?
Pranay Sharma
bilateral trade
Trade is growing. But a closer look finds India chafing at inequalities.
Lola Nayar
Column
A stronger India must counter China with open-minded caution
K.S. Bajpai
Tawang
 
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Nov 16, 2009 08:20 AM
67
Yes, Gujarat under Modi is doing pretty well. If at some future date, the people of Gujarat become discontented with the economic performance and/or governance of Modi and his cabinet, they have the option of voting the government out. India provides that mechanism of democratic change. There's no need for a Hizbul Mujahadeen, a Bhindranwale or a Naxal insurgency.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Nov 15, 2009 07:40 PM
66
faruki

gujerat under the rule of the bjp is doing very well. modi has been acclaimed by leading industrialists
such as ratan tata. this is a rare honour, as none of them have given a similar accolade to any other cm.

have you been to gujerat, and if you have not ,then may be you should visit it and then update your opinion.

facts are that muslims have created problems for others in many countries of the world.this has resulted in furious back lashes in some countries,
which have not reached the state of law and order
as in the west. in most cases muslims have
sparked conflicts eg godhra in gujerat, in lebenon
against christians, in bosnia against serbs, in russia,
and now the latest in china.

your tirades against bjp,rss are self defeating. these parties have the support of many hindus,includeing myself. they are devoted to the cause of india. thats what matters.

killing of say a 1000 muslims in gujerat is a henious
crime, but why harp on this all the time, when you are
willing to turn a blind eye of what muslims are doing in pakistan, afghanistan and other muslim states.

killing is going on in a daily basis and because of
embarrasment,opportunism, or both you are quiet as a grave about this. this will change only the day you change your allegiance from islam to say budhism.

it would be nice to see you dressed as a budhist monk,
in saffron clothes and a fully shaven bald head.

om namo padme hum.
gayatri devi
delhi, India
Nov 15, 2009 07:30 PM
65
VARUN:

ANWAAR is yet again showing his colours as the epitome of hypocrisy.

There are some extremist fellows who swear by Hindutva (Modi, for instance), but I have never read you backing them. Nor do I. Precisely because we insist that political movements claiming the support of decent people should themselves have decent standards of behaviour.

ANWAAR on the other hand, has gone out of his way time and time again, on this VERY website, to crow his mindless adulation of the most savage Islamists, like the Afghan mujahedin and the Iraqi insurgents, proclaiming them - cutters of countless innocent Muslim throats - as heroic "freedom fighters".
Momeen Rashid
Delhi, India
Nov 15, 2009 12:03 PM
64
Varun,

>> What does "Hindutva" have to do with anything? We are talking about movements and leaders who are against the idea of India.

Just pointing out that you may not be that much better than them!
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
Nov 15, 2009 10:23 AM
63
What does "Hindutva" have to do with anything? We are talking about movements and leaders who are against the idea of India, or against being part of India. There is no identifiable leader of the stature of Aung San Suu Kyi, the Dalai Lama, Gandhi, Nehru, Desmond Tutu or Lech Wolesa, that the rest of the world can really identify with and cheer on. And that's because of the nature of the movements themselves. They are not progressive struggles for constructive political,economic and social change being undertaken in the context of an entity( supposedly, the Indian government) that is implacably opposed to such constructive change. They are purely gratuitously violent, repulsively bigoted separatist movements revolving around ethno-chauvinism and/or religious fanaticism.
When you think about it, someone like a Dalai Lama, an Aung San, a Desmond Tutu or a Lech Wolesa, would not even be conceivably living in exile from India. The nature of India is such that figures representing those principles and those goals, would blend in harmoniously with India.
On the other hand, a Bhindranwale, a Hizbul Mujahadeen, a Nagaland National Socialist Council or an ULFA, are a different kettle of fish altogether.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Nov 15, 2009 02:22 AM
62
Varun,

>> There is no progressive, humane representative of these movements which the world can identify with, such as Desmond Tutu, Mahatma Gandhi, Nehru ....

There is no progressive, humane representative of your brand of hindutva either!
Anwaar
Dallas, United States
Nov 14, 2009 08:04 PM
61
And very true about the whole "Dravidian" nonsense. The desire to separate was never more than a tiny minority movement. What did/does offend people in Tamil Nadu was the attempt to impose Hindi. But that issue has been more or less amicably resolved.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Nov 14, 2009 08:00 PM
60
"and OUR Muslim and other secessionists are totalitarian thugs reeking of blood who should be obliterated, Dev Raya's squeals unheeded."

Well said, Momeen. And this is a major problem in these insurgencies, whether Kashmiri( the worst of all) Naga or Khalistani. Namely, the nature of the movements, which you have aptly described.
There is absolutely nothing in the movements themselves that tells India and the world "We are progressive, peaceful people struggling for constructive political, economic and social change in the context of an entity( the Indian government) that is denying or suppressing democracy, freedom, pluralism, secularism and empowerment of women and other disadvantaged groups. Our struggle seeks to change all that"
There is no progressive, humane representative of these movements which the world can identify with, such as Desmond Tutu, Mahatma Gandhi, Nehru, Aung San Suu Kyi or Lech Walesa. The leaders and the participants are, as Momeen rightly says, bloodthirsty totalitarian thugs who should be obliterated.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Nov 14, 2009 05:47 AM
59
Dev Raya:

You are a Muslim hiding under a Hindu name.

Your blather about the "Dravidian South" having "almost broken away" would make a cat laugh.

There is NO Dravidian South, politically speaking. I know. I am a Keralite. Keralites most CERTAINLY do not identify in the least wih the very few Tamilian loudmouths who jabber about Dravidian ideology. They are the laughing stock of the South, regarded as petty gibbering baboons.

There was never the smallest chance of the Tamilis breaking away from India, as some Muslims hoped.

A total non-starter.

Who do you kid, huh??
Momeen Rashid
Delhi, India
Nov 14, 2009 05:41 AM
58
DEV RAYA:

What will almost certainly destroy India is the gutlessness of its ruling groups, not their harshness.

They lack the will to put down illegal and blood-handed insurgents, and to defend India's borders.

But VARUN is almost comically mostaken when he suggests the US or the UK will try today to suppress secessionists by mustard gas and bombing. Not even in joke. These days, if states want to secede from the US, the Us would accept it after a referendum. Likewise the UK. If Scotland wants to go, it will go, without a shot fired.

But in Asia, we have not reached that level of political sophistication, and OUR Muslim and other secessionists are totalitarian thugs reeking of blood who should be obliterated, Dev Raya's squeals unheeded.
Momeen Rashid
Delhi, India
Nov 14, 2009 04:09 AM
57
--"They are very well disposed toward India."

Ultimately its this mindset that has created such a wedge in our relation with not just Kashmiris but pretty much all other States outside the heartland. Its not so much about them or their development as it is about Hindu Rashtra and 'disposition towards India'. The Dravidian South almost broke away from the Union decades ago and thanks to the foresight and perseverance of our earlier batch of leaders (Nehru et al) we are still part of 'India'. The persecution of minorities is precisely what needs to be avoided to propagate a strong, unified India. The regressive, self-serving politics of our conservative, religious parties will destroy our very fabric.
dev raya
Bangalore, India
Nov 14, 2009 03:50 AM
56
What you saying is positively not true of the people of Jammu or the people of Ladakh. They are very well disposed toward India. It also does not apply to the Kashmiri valley Hindus, unless they too are alienated by the perceived state and societal indifference to their plight- 300,000 of them were forced to leave by their 'alienated' Moslem brethren.
There's a significant number of Kashmir valley Moslems who are content with being part of India- they are represented by the likes of Farooq and Omar Abdullah etc- the National Conference.
So it's really the gratuitously violent valley minority and the large number of people they have in their thrall, that you are speaking of. Once they take up arms, India has every right to use force against them.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Nov 14, 2009 03:34 AM
55
--"What makes you think India isn't trying its level best to be humane and kind, and win the hearts and minds of the people of Kashmir?"

Maybe it has to do with the fact that i interact, talk and live with people across the entire socio-political and military stratum of society in India, as opposed to an obscure, snow-bound country in the northern hemisphere.

--"That, at the very least, is its stated objective."

Well, the 'stated objective' of the American wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is to eliminate al-qaeda and bring about 'democracy'. If you believe that you are a far better person than i am and less cynical !

--"against implacable, gratuitously violent Islamist terrorists"

The use of adjective doesn't make your case any stronger. Punishing the entire Kashmiri people at large because of Pakistani infiltrators doesn't instill confidence in the average Kashmiri. In fact the average Kashmiri has no use for Indians or Pakistanis and have traditionally lived in peace with their Hindu and Buddhist neighbours for centuries. Instead of placating Kashmiris into the Indian Union we have managed to thoroughly alienate them. So much for our secular, tolerant and just democracy.
dev raya
Bangalore, India
Nov 14, 2009 02:51 AM
54
What makes you think India isn't trying its level best to be humane and kind, and win the hearts and minds of the people of Kashmir? That, at the very least, is its stated objective. But when there are 500,000 or so security personnel up against implacable, gratuitously violent Islamist terrorists, of course there are going to be instances of brutality against civilians. Particularly when some of the soldiers perceive that the civilians are giving shelter or otherwise sympathetic to the terrorists. Remember also that the large army presence exists to defend against Pakistani infiltration and the Pakistani military as well. It's for all intense and purposes a low level war in Kashmir, with unfortunately some of the ugliness that war brings. India is handling it far better than any other country. It would be interesting to hear of an example of a country that has experienced this degree of terroristic violence, and behaved with more restraint and humanity than India has.Keeping in mind that the disturbed region of Kashmir is also democratic. I don't think there is such a country.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Nov 14, 2009 01:24 AM
53
--"If the US, UK or China experienced anything like this on their own soil, there is little doubt they would be far more ruthless,"

Which is precisely why using the U.S., U.K. or China as a frame of reference destroys our moral credibility. If we cannot treat 'our own' with kindness, compassion and justice, the very concept of a unified Indian State is not justified.
dev raya
Bangalore, India
Nov 14, 2009 12:51 AM
52
Relative to the amount of violence and terror, the number of infiltrations/attempted infiltrations, the casualties suffered by the Indian security forces etc, India hasn't done badly in Kashmir at all. If the US, UK or China experienced anything like this on their own soil, there is little doubt they would be far more ruthless, to the extent of using air power and mustard/nerve gas on the people attempting to separate.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Nov 14, 2009 12:18 AM
51
--"But that's just it- it's not an iron fisted occupation."

Kashmiris and a host of other independent sources seem to think so !

--"India has not colonised Kashmir with settlers, has not super-exploited super-cheap Kashmiri labour to generate super-profits that are transferred out of the state, has not suppressed for one single millisecond, the Kashmiri language and script; has never had a racist, disdainful attitude toward the Kashmiris, has never denied local democracy. All of the above are the sine qua non of true colonialism."

I cannot disagree with you on this. I dont have any solutions nor do i claim any special knowledge of the situation. I do however recognize that oppression by brute force, random searches, rapes, disappearances, extra-judicial killings and other such unconstitutional practices are the hallmark of a Totalitarian State. Whether we fall under that category is a moot point.
dev raya
Bangalore, India
Nov 13, 2009 07:48 PM
50
"Without genuine grievances its highly unlikely large groups of people suddenly turn rogue. The iron-fisted domination and occupation of Kashmir by Indian security forces definitely contributes.."

But that's just it- it's not an iron fisted occupation. India responded to a an extremely violent series of incidents by sending in more soldiers in 1990. These violent incidents were not against illegal settlers or colonists or people believing in totalitarianism or fascism or military rule or monarchy. One would have still denounced such violence, but at least one could see what it was they were striking out against. The victims were Kashmiri Hindus, Kashmiri Moslems unsympathetic to the movement, and various people representing the state.

Kashmir has had, and does have a functioning democracy, as well as freedom of movement, freedom of expression and freedom of association. But not of course, freedom of secession. That's only to be expected.
India has not colonised Kashmir with settlers, has not super-exploited super-cheap Kashmiri labour to generate super-profits that are transferred out of the state, has not suppressed for one single millisecond, the Kashmiri language and script; has never had a racist, disdainful attitude toward the Kashmiris, has never denied local democracy. All of the above are the sine qua non of true colonialism.

Yet the movement is still one of the most gratuitously violent in the last century! This is the point you are missing. You would think the suppressed Tibetans and Tiananmen dissidents would be indulging in a magnitude of violence far higher, and this is the conundrum.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Nov 13, 2009 07:47 PM
49
In my opinion, yes, some expressions of perception about China, coming out of India, can be more dispassionate. India should not be bothered about the equation between China and Pakistan. The two nations have a right to decide on their bilateral relationship, as does India reserve the right to normalize her relations with her neighbors. Why cannot China have a meaningful relationship with both India and Pakistan? India has as much to offer China, if not more, than Pakistan. I see no strategy, if the relation between China and Pakistan is strategic. China may have supplied nuclear know-how to Pakistan, but to what end? Is the presence of India, so much of a bother for China, that she supplies nuclear know-how to Pakistan? This is evidence that China is not secure, in the perception of the Communist Party, in affairs of internal security. This is not a view shared by the general citizenry of India, nor is this mentioned, in strong determined expression, or discussion, by India's strategic expressionists. India is more worried about the intention's of China, vis a vis India. Does China want to play the card of deliberate discord with India, and if so, then why? Why should instability in China be important to India, and why should the insecurity of India, be important to China? How will China or India gain by such courses of action? Can it be, that these two great nations each want to exist in isolation, as the greatest power in Asia? How will this really benefit either nation? Is the perception of the member states of the globe, so important? It is only perception which considers greatness, and is the perception of other's so important?
Aditya Mookerjee
Belgaum, India
Nov 13, 2009 12:06 PM
48
--"The question is not the grievances, but why there are so many militants going around massacring people on an almost weekly basis"

Without genuine grievances its highly unlikely large groups of people suddenly turn rogue. The iron-fisted domination and occupation of Kashmir by Indian security forces definitely contributes and exacerbates existing grievances to a point of no return. The excesses committed by Indian security forces in Kashmir constitutes war crimes. If we, as Indians, dont recognize this and correct it and hold our forces to extreme scrutiny we have already lost the battle of winning the minds of Kashmiris. No single group of people can continue living under what they perceive as an occupation. What you and i think about it is irrelevant. Sympathizing with Tibetans and ignoring the plight of Kashmiris is hypocritical.

If we as a unified State cannot take care of all our people with universal principles of distributive justice, we cannot claim any justification to remain as a unified State. Im not sure how this works in Canada but im guessing its the same.
dev raya
Bangalore, India
Nov 13, 2009 10:44 AM
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The question is not the grievances, but why there are so many militants going around massacring people on an almost weekly basis- even killing their own 'kind' if there is any real or perceived disagreement or opposition. What kind of freedom movement is that? On the other hand, the Tibetan and Tiananmen dissidents are genuine freedom seekers, whose methods are generally peaceful, certainly in no way comparable to the gratuitous violence of the Kashmiris and Naxals. And yet the first group functions in a totalitarian state, the second in a pluralist democracy. You would think the violence would be more in the former. Which is why identifying the *nature* of the movements is very important.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Nov 13, 2009 09:37 AM
46
varun--"In China's case, the Tibetans and dissidents are opposing a brutal, totalitarian, quasi-fascist state. And moreover, their goal in opposing this state is to have more freedom, more democracy and more pluralism.
In Kashmir and among the Naxals, the factions in question are opposing a state that is already free, democratic, pluralistic, with a free press, an independent judiciary and multiple political parties."

You do have a point. I agree with the above contention to a large extent. The issue is what causes these grievances and how we address them as either a Democratic State or a Totalitarian State. If the method employed by these two entities is the same, of what use is moral equivalence.
dev raya
Bangalore, India
Nov 13, 2009 06:52 AM
45
Wang's assertions are diversionary at best. Bharat Karnad in his article Nuking Treaties is right on the spot.
http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?262835

"The other reason is China. Its nuclear forces, boasting proven megaton thermonuclear warheads in launch-ready state, outmatch the Indian deterrent with only the 20 kiloton weapon as its tested mainstay. China’s conventional military is both larger in size and, quality-wise, equipped with better bulk weapons. This military imbalance may be spurring China’s growing bellicosity towards India. It is massively arming Pakistan and, to compound its original proliferation sins, is reportedly transferring “boosted fission” weapon-related materials (tritium) and technology to the country. And, most worryingly, it has initiated a project to divert the Yarlung-Tsangpo River in Tibet northwards to meet the water needs of its arid interior. The Yarlung-Tsangpo becomes the Brahmaputra River as it crosses into India and is the lifeline for the Indian states in the east and north-east, and Bangladesh, and its diversion would be a casus belli. At a minimum, it will compel Manmohan Singh to ramp up India’s military wherewithal and force him to do a rethink about having insufficiently tested fusion weapons compared to the proven, large yield, thermonuclear armaments in Chinese employ. He would not want India to be in a situation where it finds itself strategically and psychologically overwhelmed by China."
JayKay Chraborty
Kolkatta, India
Nov 13, 2009 06:43 AM
44
"A little perspective is always welcome. I suppose we should attribute all the 50,000 deaths in Kashmir these last 2 decades to terrorists alone, since the Indian State is flawless and pure at heart. We NEVER indulge "

One doesn't have to call the Indian state angelic, in order to realise that a major issue in comparing Kashmir with Tibet or Naxals with Tianamen square protesters, is the comparative nature of the two struggles or causes. In China's case, the Tibetans and dissidents are opposing a brutal, totalitarian, quasi-fascist state. And moreover, their goal in opposing this state is to have more freedom, more democracy and more pluralism.
In Kashmir and among the Naxals, the factions in question are opposing a state that is already free, democratic, pluralistic, with a free press, an independent judiciary and multiple political parties.They have avenues to redress grievences within the context of a united India. And they can and are heard. The problem is their extreme, gratutious violence- far, far worse than anything the Tibetans or Tiananmen Square dissidents have ever done by immeasurable factors- and their own respective ideologies. Plainly speaking, there is absolutely nothing in the Kashmiri or Naxal movement that tells India and the world "We are struggling for more democracy, more secularism, more openness and more pluralism". Rather, the nature of the movements demonstrate clearly that the opposite is what is sought to be obtained.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Nov 13, 2009 03:11 AM
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--"I can argue that it is also a country which shot its own people with tanks at tianenmen Square. If it can do that to its own people, then it tells me it is a brutal intolerant regime."

A little perspective is always welcome. I suppose we should attribute all the 50,000 deaths in Kashmir these last 2 decades to terrorists alone, since the Indian State is flawless and pure at heart. We NEVER indulge in violence against our own people. Never. In fact we are preparing to send 70,000 troops to Jharkand so as to maintain peace. No shots will be fired. None killed. None disappeared. We are saints, unlike the friggin Chinese !
dev raya
Bangalore, India
Nov 13, 2009 03:06 AM
42
--"What more proof do you need?"

None. Im blown away by your impeccable evidence.
dev raya
Bangalore, India
Nov 13, 2009 02:33 AM
41
DEV RAYA:

Names arejust names: they are neither Hindu nor Muslim.

Proof?

Mohammed adopted Islam, but kept his pre-Islamic name: Mohammed.

What more proof do you need? EVEN Mohammed is NOT a Muslim name.

One frequent spammer on this site, Anwaar, who preaches virulent Islamism, for sometime called himself PATEL: all Patels I know are Hindus.....

So stop griping.
Momeen Rashid
Delhi, India
Nov 12, 2009 04:11 PM
40
The author is himself indulging in all the things he is accusing Indians about. He is also taking incidents out of context and generalising it about the indian media. "Pouring vitriol" "indisputable" "presumptious" "agenda driven" etc etc cuts both ways. So the writer pats his own back saying "China today is an open and dynamic society, boasting 360 million internet users". I can argue that it is also a country which shot its own people with tanks at tianenmen Square. If it can do that to its own people, then it tells me it is a brutal intolerant regime. China also invaded Tibet and is spouting vitriol against the Dalai Lama. Except for the Chinese the whole world respects the Dalai Lama as a peaceloving spiritual head. China also sponsors terrorism where it sees fit - as in their support to Pakistan whom the entire world recognises as a hot spot for terrorism. Mr.Wang - looking at a mirror and seeing ones true reflection is sometimes very painful. We have newspapers like the Indian Express, The Hindu, The Statesman which have outstanding standards in journalism. Unlike in your country where every line is possibly censored by the administration. Outlook should be more discerning in choosing the articles they publish. If you don't have anything publish the weather report for gods sake - why publish such trash?
Rajesh Chary
Mumbai, India
Nov 12, 2009 01:20 PM
39
--"Just yeterday China executed nine leaders of the Muslim Uighur rebels in China.
So, under China, Hinduism and Buddhism can hope to survive. There will also be fast economic growth.
Even the Tibetans may be glad in the end for Chinese rule, when they realise the long run alternative is Islamist takeover."

Momeen ... please do not hide behind a Muslim name and preach hatred towards Muslims. Such tactics invariably fall apart since 'hate' is easy to detect and hatred against Muslims is all pervasive amongst the minority Hindu fundamentalists. I say minority because they have been relegated to a sideshow by the Indian voters repeatedly in the last decade.

Indians by and large are far more tolerant of each others religion as long as religion is not politicized. Despite the rabid, frothing-at-the-mouth fundamentalist Hindutvas, Indians will manage to integrate and co-exist with each other. This may seem like wishful thinking but history seems to prove otherwise. So 'can' the hatefest if you can.
dev raya
Bangalore, India
Nov 12, 2009 01:01 PM
38
--"China has Islamism well under control, and that Buddhism will survive in Tibet under Chinese rule"

Islam, like Hinduism or Buddhism needs no control. Controlling a religion is accomplished very well in totalitarian States. It seems as though this function is being taken on voluntarily by the chaddie brigade in our own country. Controlling fundamentalism irrespective of religion on the other hand is desirable in any State. Buddhism will survive in China despite Chinese rule.
dev raya
Bangalore, India
Nov 12, 2009 11:50 AM
37
Mr. Wang Yaodong,
I agree that except for The Hindu newspaper most other Indian ones especially some corporate TV channels have intentionally provocative anti-chinese headlines. No prizes for guessing which powers are behind this.

Even without the war mongering news channels there is anti-chinese feeling in India left over from the 1962 war and the more recent chinese help to our hostile neighbour Pakistan. Just this week there were reports that China is supplying half a billion worth latest fighter planes to Pakistan which does not even have the money to pay the citizens' salaries. China has built the Gwadar port in baluchisthan province of Pakistan. Surely you cannot expect India to view all these activities by China as altruistic to assist a poor neighbouring country.

Even though it is comforting to know that there has been no wars recorded for thousands of years between india and china other than 1962 I would appreciate if you write another article from the prespective of Indians who are genuinely worried with what powerful China is upto in the neighbourhood.
sampath
Bangalore, India
Nov 12, 2009 10:24 AM
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>>How is 'war' the solution for anything unless you wish the death of millions on either side?

Presumably, most of the deaths will be in the heavily populated, irretrievably illiterate and fanatically violent North India...it'll thin out the cowbelt....

>>Posters on Outlook forums range from sensible to deranged

don't forget the posters who range from the diabolical to the satiric...
Augustus AAA
Pune, India
Nov 12, 2009 03:50 AM
35
srinivasulu--"The solution will be war. "

Reading Srinivasulu's post below can lead one to believe we are really far behind the Chinese in literacy and education and may i add common sense. How is 'war' the solution for anything unless you wish the death of millions on either side ? Posters on Outlook forums range from sensible to deranged !
dev raya
Bangalore, India
Nov 11, 2009 07:21 AM
34
While I thank Outlook for bringing in Mr. Wang, who is to some extent right on our media's negative stereotyping of China and creating an hype over every border skirmishes, but our politicians should not make inflammatory statements or get overtly excited about the recent statement by U.S. state dept. over Dali Lama's visit to Tawang, which must be ignored (either way), as they are playing games. President Obama refused to meet his Holiness the Dalai Lama during his recent visits to U.S. Experts will tell you that the powerful Jewish Lobby has strong ties with Communist China (this must never be ignored, and rest of world including India still do not reconize Taiwan as separate from China) and President Obama is strongly influenced by the former. As time does not stay still and 2009 is not 1962, thus India need not worry about another drubbing by the Chinese militarily, yet we must stay catious and continue to arm and expand our armed forces further, as with dozens of insurgent movements in India, especially in bordering North East and Kashmir, as well the Maoist movement across 200 districts, and China's increasing military ties with our neighbours, including Sri Lanka, they can add a lot of fuel to create a lot of internal strife in India.
Shyamal Barua
kolkata, India
Nov 11, 2009 03:08 AM
33
SRINIVASULU:

If old Wang has any sense he would not bother to reply to your windy, small-brained ideas.

He would simply note that unlike India, China has Islamism well under control, and that Buddhism will survive in Tibet under Chinese rule, but is going to be wiped out in the Indian North-East by Bangladeshi illegal Muslim migrants taking over.
Momeen Rashid
Delhi, India
Nov 11, 2009 01:21 AM
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Dear Mr Wang Yaodong,
We Indians, a good number and greate many of us want to be fed with Hate_Chinkies articles, news, reports etc. As long as Chinks continue to occupy our land we will remain so. We are not bothered what is the history and what your claims and arguments are. We have common border with Tibet and not China. The solution will be war. We will not allow China to move ahead with this burden. A world war can be risked but we will take China down with us. Then both of us can start from the "opium" era, we producing and supplying it and you consuming it. Chinks are our enemy number one, they help our insurgents, they arm Pukis against us, and they must be finished off once for all. We will prepare and wait for that day.
M. Srinivasulu
Hyderabad, India
Nov 10, 2009 08:10 PM
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I'd like to know which paper ran the "Would you choose to be Chinese or Indian?" I don't think any leading newspaper would have done it. And I don't think our newspapers over simplify the Chinese relationship. Infact I've read again and again that it is a complex relationship. I think Mr.Wang is deliberately taking instances out of context and has written this article. And I'm surprised Outlook has chosen to give it prominence and publish it. Utter rubbish.
Rajesh Chary
Mumbai, India
Nov 10, 2009 07:09 PM
30
DINESH:

Do you honestly think Indian rule is better for Arunachal than Chinese rule? India brings with it hordes of Bangladeshi Muslims, who are taking over the whole of the North-East. No wonder many people there think China is better.
Momeen Rashid
Delhi, India
Nov 10, 2009 03:30 PM
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The Indian press sometimes loses control, but what the writer has failed to answer is why China continues to needle India on our borders, by making irresponsible statements on Arunachal, and by making dams where they shouldn't? Why blame the press only when the Chinese are all out to disrupt peace in the area? Is it because they think that our old leaders are incapable of responding properly?
Dinesh Kumar
Chandigarh, India
Nov 10, 2009 11:18 AM
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>Just as Muslims USE Indian rule to take over India, >so Hindus could USE Chinese rule - to suppress >Islamism.

ha ha this is like saying that the sheep to ward off the wolf should befriend the tiger.
nandakumar
chennai, india
Nov 10, 2009 05:16 AM
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Just as Muslims USE Indian rule to take over India, so Hindus could USE Chinese rule - to suppress Islamism.
Momeen Rashid
Delhi, India
Nov 10, 2009 04:17 AM
26
If someone were to dare to be absolutely frant he would say that there is a good case for inviting China to rule India - st least then Induans can be sure Islamist terrorism will be ryuthlessly put down, instead of being cosseted by the Congress and the BJP cowards.
Momeen Rashid
Delhi, India
Nov 10, 2009 03:57 AM
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My friends, here is a truth to blow your small heads: China with its terrific toughness, efficiency, pushiness and ruthlessness, is a HUGE asset to Hindus and Buddhists....Why?

Because China will NEVER allow Muslims to get a hold in any area they control.
Momeen Rashid
Delhi, India
Nov 10, 2009 03:54 AM
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ATUL CHANDRA, PIRTHJIT RAY:

From the view point of the peoples of the North-Eastern states, why should we assume China is so bad?

After all, what has India done for them?

India is so corrupt and lazy and heedless of the future that it allows Bangladeshi Muslims to colonise Assam and other North-Eastern states. Soon they will be a majority in Assam, and then good bye to the Assamese Hindus and Buddhists.

The Congress Party positively delights in importing Bangladeshi Muslims into the North-East and other areas of India, to use them as its illegal voters. The islamiust forces are fast taking over among the illegal Muslim migrants.

So what future has the Indian North-eastern states under Indian rule? Only underdevelopmentAND much worse: Islamist takeover.

No wonder many of them look to China. Can we blame them?

At least under China Islamism has zero chances. Just yeterday China executed nine leaders of the Muslim Uighur rebels in China.

So, under China, Hinduism and Buddhism can hope to survive. There will also be fast economic growth.

Even the Tibetans may be glad in the end for Chinese rule, when they realise the long run alternative is Islamist takeover.
Momeen Rashid
Delhi, India
Nov 09, 2009 11:33 PM
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The author no doubt raises some valid points about the Indian media being paranoid, but at the same time it is absolutely true that China is following a policy of encircling India,by supporting countries around us and even arming them.The author also glosses over the fact that China indulges in a lot of censorship and suppresion of freedoms, though of-course the situation in India is hardly perfect, even though we are a democracy. Finally, the author is highly exaggerating the fact the the Chinese have warm regard for Indians. The author is just being polite, frankly the Chinese could not care less, they feel, and rightly so that they are in a different league than India is. The Chinese compare themselves to the Americans, not India.Indians have a highly exalted sense of their importance in the world, frankly the truth is otherwise.
Prithijit Ray
chicago, usa
Nov 09, 2009 10:58 PM
22
Momin Rashid,
I find sense in what you say. Dalai Lama has been the thorn in the chinese side and if India sends him away, china should be mollified.

But do you think, that in case Dalai Lama had not been there China would have been a buddy of India? I do not think so.
Chinese are the original HEGEMONS. They have gobbled up territories and nationalities, claimed historical existence of 'China' using the name of the Mongol Changez Khan and such other things in their zeal to 'create' justifications for the borders they covet. Han ethnics are drowning all other ethnicities.

They want 'suzereinity' over all in their 'area of influence' and quietly extend 'sovereignity' over border territories of neighbours and then claim it as 'inalienable' part of china.

As such I feel by keeping Tibet issue live the chinese have been forced to remain where they are and forced to remain on backfoot on the one issue where the world can focus and speak against china.By allowing Dalai Lama to remain in India,Indi actually has a handle on China. The alternative would have left us totally unarmed.
Atul Chandra
mUMBAI, INDIA
Nov 09, 2009 09:23 PM
21
>>Ungratefulness and selfishness are traits of the Chinese people; they are genetically inherent in them.

Chinese are mere students at the feet of Indians when it comes to being ungrateful and selfish.

>>Covert attempt-Pakistan-a Chinese lackey- with the tacit support of China is waging terrorist attacks on Indian soil;

chinese lackey? I thought they were American and Islamic lackeys! Ooops...I forgot...they are the lackeys of the enemy du jour or d'heure (enemy of the day or the hour).
Augustus AAA
Pune, India
Nov 09, 2009 09:15 PM
20
>>Forget also the care the hosts took to choose suitable guides for her. But isn’t it ridiculous of her to draw conclusions about Chinese society based on the remarks of the three guides?

No more ridiculous than assigning "suitable guides" to systematically stage all interactions of the Chinese public with the outside world! Part of the price of a closed society is no independent confirmation of all the wonderful things that the propaganda machine can relentlessly churn out...

>>China today is an open and dynamic society, boasting 360 million internet users.

I'd settle for 3.6 million with open access to unfiltered proxy servers.

>>The media’s primary responsibility is to tell the truth.

the party's truth?

The sad thing about Mr. Wang's article is that many things he says in it are true. But, someone whose position is owed to the tacit, if not outright, approval of the CCP isn't the most credible messenger for such a message.
Augustus AAA
Pune, India
Nov 09, 2009 08:29 PM
19
Today is a great day as it is the 20th anniversary of the fall of the communist wall.

And BTW, why the need to put Hindu paper among the other papers? The Hindu newspaper is a Chinese paper to boot. One can expect an article in Hindu criticizing China after Pravda publishes an article criticizing Putin and KGB.
Ganesan
Nj, USA
Nov 09, 2009 12:01 PM
18
Sorry, read as, "They are so far successful to keep warm relationship..."
dip
Dhaka, Bangladesh
Nov 09, 2009 11:27 AM
17
Varun,

Chinese and Indian think tank should consider their respective issues in a long-term basis. Historical animosity hasn’t paid much. Policy makers of China always like to portray themselves as the ‘deep-water fish’, tried always to bog India down by defending Pakistan in the field as well as in international forums. They are so far successful to keep worm relationship with Muslim majority countries in South Asia for such a stance.

But as they’ve already awestricken by Uighur issue, they should re-think about their overexploited techniques applied against India so far. And if they honestly change their outlook, India should have a nice & easy approach towards China maintaining its extreme efforts in economic/market competition. China should come out from the frame of different map/unique visa chiaroscuro, and come to their senses.
dip
Dhaka, Bangladesh
Nov 09, 2009 11:13 AM
16
ha ha this entire set of articles to show how wrong india is to claim arunachal, to support the dalai lama, to be fearful of china - is it sponsored by china to psychologically lower its thread level in the minds of the indian public?

i wouldn't be surprised.
nandakumar
chennai, india
Nov 09, 2009 11:10 AM
15
the indian press well remembers the betrayal of 1962. also it watches china arm pakistan with nuclear and missile technology and also support pak's jihadi 'assets' in the UN. what other reason do they need to be hostile?

china should stop demanding friendship of india, when it makes multiple hostile moves to harm indian interests. as you give, so shall you get.
nandakumar
chennai, india
Nov 09, 2009 11:03 AM
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>India CAN take one huge step immediately to improve >its relations with China: quietly ask the Dalai Lama >and his followers to leave India and go to some far >more comfortable land like the USA or Canada.

i dont know the logic of your above arugment.

but here are the reasons why india should support the dalai lama :

1. it is humanistic. tibet belongs to the tibeteans and not the chinese who took it by force.
2. indians converted tibet to buddhism. it is our buffer between china. so we have our cultural and political stake there in tibet.
3. china is deliberately pushing pakistan in its confrontation towards us. and we are to turn away the dalai lama who fights peacefully for the rights of his people?
4. china is expansionist. it already has forcibly occupied 40,000 miles of our territory. also it has already claimed arunachal as its own territory. the dalai lama with his prestige rooted in his traditional role affirming tawang as belonging to india is a powerful argument against china.

>How would India like it if the Chinese harboured and >lionised Kashmiri separatist leaders?

china by supporting/arming pakistan is doing exactly that. and they even have occupied a part of kashmir illegally ceded to them by pakistan.
nandakumar
chennai, india
Nov 09, 2009 09:01 AM
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Tell the Chinese in very simple language that the Dalai Lama is not a terrorist or murderer or sadist like the scum Pakistan harbours.He is a figure of high stature. Also let the Chinese know that as far as sheltering Indian separatists go, Pakistan is doing that job for them; the Chinese needn't add to the problem, since they are part of the problem already with respect to Pakistan's intransigience.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Nov 09, 2009 05:01 AM
12
SCARIA:

When it concerns a very powerful and dangerous country like China, it is mere common sense for India not to do anything provocative, except if it is absolutely unavoidable.

Giving the Dalai Lama PERMANENT asylum in India was NOT necessary.

There are scores of countries in the world that could have taken him, and still can. He himself, and his followers, might have lived far more comfortably in the US, Australia or Europe, than in hot and poor India.

It was an act of unbelievable stupidity by Indian governments to keep on provoking China like this.

Will they have the sense EVEN NOW tp send the Dalai Lama somewhere else?
Momeen Rashid
Delhi, India
Nov 09, 2009 04:00 AM
11
HI MOMEEN RASHID

Nehru’s follies are aplenty and his achievements are few and far between. Giving asylum to Dalai Lama and his followers was the right thing Nehru did because of the Indian culture that subscribes to treat guests with respect and provide help.
Scaria Varghese
Melbourne, Australia
Nov 08, 2009 09:54 PM
10
India CAN take one huge step immediately to improve its relations with China: quietly ask the Dalai Lama and his followers to leave India and go to some far more comfortable land like the USA or Canada.

How would India like it if the Chinese harboured and lionised Kashmiri separatist leaders?

This foolish action of Nehru's has cost India a horrific price.

Typical folly of Nehru's it was, utterly perverse.

Nehru usually went to disgusting lengths to deny India's basically Hindu cultural identity; no, we are a seculr nation unlinked to any particular religion, he would prate. When asked to step in to speak to Pakistan about the cruel persecution of Hindus in Pakistan, Indian governments hve stressed that they have no particular commitment to Hindus.

Yet, when it comes to this foreigner, the Dalai Lama, all the most "secular" Indian gverment wallahs run over with tearful assertions of love for him because of "our cultural heritage", i.e. the Hindu-Buddhist culture.

Thus, just where it would actually have HELPED India and the Hindus to stress our secularism, freeing us of the destructive attitude of seeming to support Tibet against China, the Nehruites did the opposite.....
Momeen Rashid
Delhi, India
Nov 08, 2009 11:17 AM
9
Mr. Wang Yaodong is a scribe of the Wen Hui Daily, China, and a totalitarian china propaganda mouthpiece. He should have known that India is a thriving democracy and the media-print and electronic- is not beholden to Indian government and it has the freedom to express its views.

Ungratefulness and selfishness are traits of the Chinese people; they are genetically inherent in them.

China has been inimical towards India for a long time. In the later part of the 1950s Nehru was on an official visit to America and President Truman was canvassing him to isolate China by depriving her of the rightful UN Security Council seat and he refused. Efforts were already underway then by America and her allies- the NATO countries- to supplant Taiwan for the UN Security Council seat. The Chinese gratitude: 1962 aggression on India.

India hasn’t learned from the bitter lessons of 1962 and the politicos are still shadow boxing-sparring the arch the enemy, China, with kid gloves. Hindi-Chini bhai-bhai’ slogan was bait that was concealed in deception and Nehru was caught with hook, line and sinker. Nehru had paid the ultimate price-his death due to the shock of the Chinese betrayal.

Emboldened by the growing economy coupled with lordliness of aiming for a superpower, China is overtly and covertly trying to wreck the Indian economy.

Overt attempt-opposing India’s exemption from the IAEA for Indo-US civilian Nuclear Deal, trying to sabotage India at the NSG, regular incursion by Pakistan and Chinese forces into Indian territories, blatant attempts by Pakistani terrorists to infiltrate into Kashmir; blocking of the Asian Development Bank’s assistance to India is yet another reminder that China would loath to miss an opportunity to oppose India.

Covert attempt-Pakistan-a Chinese lackey- with the tacit support of China is waging terrorist attacks on Indian soil; waging economic war on India by flooding fake Indian currencies to the tune of Rs. 2000 crores to wreck the Indian economy by Pakistan’s ISI, China is daydreaming for a nuclear war between India and Pakistan to wreck the Indian economy.

In this day and age India or, for that matter, any country can’t cocoon herself from the rest of the world because we are living in global village where interaction and transaction between countries are vital. Apart from interaction and transaction with China, too much chumming up with her will be India’s own peril because China never sees India on an equal footing-a competitor with the second burgeoning economy in the world. Perhaps, jealousy coupled with being threatened by India’s phenomenal growth and fear of the reported statements of India taking over her as the largest economy in fifty years from now.

China’s admission of its pharmaceutical companies were involved in shipping fake drugs labelled 'Made in India' to Nigeria is obviously an officially sanctioned plan to discredit the Indian pharmaceutical companies. (Fake 'Made In India' Drugs: China Admits its Cos' Involvement on ‘Outlook India’, AUG 11, 2009). This is an officially sanctioned policy to wreck the Indian economy.

Making claim on Arunachal Pradesh in the pretext of there is no officially recognised border demarcation between India and China. In the same vein, could India make a counterclaim on Chinese territories?

To be safe, Indian government must fortify borders with China and place Indian army on war footing because the totalitarian Chinese regime could never be trusted.
Scaria Varghese
Melbourne, Australia
Nov 07, 2009 11:46 PM
8
Anyway, this Chinese write doesn't have long to wait. Soon India will be another Nepal.
Momeen Rashid
Delhi, India
Nov 07, 2009 11:27 PM
7
sorry for double posting by mistake
Momeen Rashid
Delhi, India
Nov 07, 2009 11:25 PM
6
I respect and indeed love the Chinese as a people. In Vancouver there is a very large and wonderful Chinese community which I know well.

The real trouble is that China supports Pakistan tooth and nail in its dangerous activities against India. This is what frightens and angers Indians.
Momeen Rashid
Delhi, India
Nov 07, 2009 11:25 PM
5
I respect and indeed love the Chinese as a people. In Vancouver there is a very large and wonderful Chinese community which I know well.

The real trouble is that China supports Pakistan tooth and nail in its dangerous activities against India. This is what frightens and angers Indians.
Momeen Rashid
Delhi, India
Nov 07, 2009 10:30 PM
4
What Wang neglects to mention is that the people of China have never really been the problem where India(and other countries) are concerned. It's the Chinese state, politbureau and red army that is the issue. These entities have done things that are at once unethical and inimical to the interests of democratic, pluralistic India and its security.
Perhaps Wang could explain the behaviour of the Chinese state in opposing India's entry into the UN security council, in transferring missile and nuclear weapons to military dominated Pakistan, in being the single biggest supporter of awful regimes like North Korea and Myanmar, in supporting the genocidal Khmer Rouge and its sadistic leader Pol Pot, and in characterising the peaceful, visionary Dalai Lama as 'the devil in disguise'.
He may also want to explain the semi-official website which called for breaking India up into many countries, and in the Chinese state's ultra-pompous statement that Indians were in "awe" and "jealous" of China.
None of these can be called friendly or ethical gestures.
Varun Shekhar
Toronto, CANADA
Nov 07, 2009 07:19 PM
3
Chinese have at no time made any bones about their intention of keeping India in it's 'place'.
They have not missed any instance of heaping insult and worse on India.In fact they have been quite contemptuous and dismissive of Indians.With their elaborate 'symbolisms' they have fooled generations of Indians and kept them guessing about their true intentions on anything.

Is it wrong that Indians consider China and Chinese as crooked and deceitful people wishing to 'trample' Indians 'under their boots'?

Anyway, now that India has the N Deal tied up and the commies and China have failed in their attempt let us definitely move ahead in forging partnership with China -as an equal-no more hyphenated to its client Pakistan.That is a realistic strategy.
China's interest in neutralising Dalai Lama and the recent Indo-US strategic tie up is again making them act violently-hoping to cow India down.

More clashes would happen when India again bids for the security council, though China would be well advised at that time to rather help India join the council.Any other action on its part would be like adding fuel to fire-a permanent fire would be lit. Chinese are realists, if nothing else-they know what they could afford to fight and what they can not.

In fact it would be extremely prudent for China to join hands with a willing India-since henceforth power games would matter less in Indo China relations and economy and technical prowess would matter more.

That is an area where partnership is more fruitful.

China and India -unfettered by competitive politics of power games where China tried to to keep India "down below"-are now placed in a position where 'equals' can negotiate on a platform of mutual benefits

Will Chinese ever accept this?
Atul Chandra
mUMBAI, INDIA
Nov 07, 2009 05:28 PM
2
I fully concur that the media in India has fixed views on subjects that they are writing about.The media in India also has the ugly habit of branding people and parties as 'communal','secular'or whatever.It is a very finely written article by Mr Wang Yaodong.I thank Mr Vinod Mehta for bringing in this writer and not imposing the repititive types.
S.S.Nagaraj
Bangalore, India
Nov 07, 2009 02:52 PM
1
I welcome the article by Mr. Wang Yaodong. Certainly, yes, there must be talks, dialogue,on the border issue. No one stands to gain through bitter relations, but I feel that what is missing in the talks between our two great nations is empathy. How wonderful it would be to know each more, without the blinkers our leaders/and media/ often impose on us or resort to because of what the opposition is saying or for the sake of political posturing.
Mamang Dai
Itanagar, India
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